build hackerspace supah-computah

[sunnysideofthescreen]

to do:
-create bill of materials with budget$$ cap: $1,500 (James how is that looking?)
-submit proposal to BSCIT Fund (How long is this process? I can help here!)
-build the thing! (James + kelly + derek(?) + invite rest of house)

[sunnysideofthescreen]

Bill of materials: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mBnPQd5CxVolDjyWtU5ZhQnFvQ3JESmuU0a0FMqR2F4/edit#gid=0

&&james do we need to buy a new screen? if so, this is not accounted for. some folks at council vocalized that they didn't want a tv screen as a monitor

[nerdynucleon]

$500 for a graphics card? Seems like someone's excuse to build a gaming computer....

funny thing is it'll probably get approved.

[sunnysideofthescreen]

hey nerdy nucleon :) i don't think james was interested in gaming on this computer, but was instead interested in making it capable of some pretty intense modelling (correct me if i'm wrong, james). Alex, do you think this is exorbitant? do you have any better suggestions? We are open to ideas :D

[nerdynucleon]

1. cost of software not factored in (recurring cost eg: licenses)
2. everyone at Cloyne is a UC Berkeley student and has access to campus computing resources and software
3. hardware doesn't match projects' scale or complexity (realistically people will at most be modeling their dinky 3d prints)
4. gpubenchmarks.com says gaming, period. If it was a link to a quadro or firepro, then maybe? Again, hardware doesn't match the projects.
5. $170 case and a blu-ray drive... I don't have to explain why this is excessive

Save your house's money. Don't build it. Get some heaters or radiators installed in that room and maybe people will actually go there.

Sorry to be blunt, but spending money for the benefit of a few people in the short term, especially in the coops, is bothersome and uncooperative.

[mitar]

So we need a computer in the makerspace so that we can install drivers for 3d printer and have 3d editing software there. So that it is easy for somebody to start working on that.

[ck2qsuZT]

That's not the current link. Here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dhTkpg Alex, trust our council, that your not a part of, to govern our house. It's been discussed, all these points have been brought up

[ck2qsuZT]

We currently have a monitor as well as the TV but we can figure out later,
after some use, if we want to buy a better monitor with separate funds.
On Dec 5, 2015 9:30 PM, "kelly archer" [email protected] wrote:

Bill of materials:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mBnPQd5CxVolDjyWtU5ZhQnFvQ3JESmuU0a0FMqR2F4/edit#gid=0

&&james do we need to buy a new screen? if so, this is not accounted for.
some folks at council vocalized that they didn't want a tv screen as a
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[nerdynucleon]

Your new link addresses none of my points, and it's honestly even more comical than the first. This should cost a max of $300, and the old kitchen computer would be adequate.

Don't ask BSCIT to fund this. It's not fair to have the BSC support this.

[sunnysideofthescreen]

James- I recognize that council did discuss this briefly, but we were only
in agreeance on a budget cap (which we don't necessarily have to meet). I
understand where you're coming from, a lot of cool shit can be done on a
computer, but maybe we should focus on the realistic use of this computer.
I'm happy we got Alex's perspective on this because honestly there aren't
that many people involved in this conversation that know a lot about
hardware.

As a member of this makerspace computer committee (whatever the f that
means), i think we should take another look at our proposed bill of
materials. Alex, you are invited to come along if you have the time. James,
are you free today before council at all?

-kel

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Alexandre Chong [email protected]
wrote:

Your new link addresses none of my points, and it's honestly even more
comical than the first. This should cost a max of $300, and the old kitchen
computer would be adequate.

Don't ask BSCIT to fund this. It's not fair to have the BSC support this.

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[ck2qsuZT]

Alex, don't think your opinion isn't valued because you moved out. But how
you presented it was pretty rude. If this machine were for gaming I
wouldn't be fighting so heavily against windows on it. I don't really game
and I'm not going to try to make "excuses" or manipulate the house for my
own gain.

1. We would try our best to only use open source or at-least free of
   charge software, If we can't find an open alternative then we likely just
   do without that software than buy it.
2. Unlike campus resources which are not well known about or need key
   card access, this computer is open to everyone in the house. It gives
   people the ability to experiment with many different things.
3. Yeah, a cheaper computer would do the job but this one would do the
   job better and can handle more things. Cloyne is a house with many CS and
   MechE students, a computer that handle "
   dinky 3d prints" but can also do intense GPU processes like graphical
   models involving random particle collision within a gas, or handle large
   CPU intense processes like compiling , is much more convenient than having
   to go to campus for resources.
4. gpubenchmarks.com is a dead link but I didn't realize they sold
   Quadros for under $1000, I've updated the parts list.
   http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cYW2Jx
5. The case is huge and transparent, everything is very visible so
   people can look into the device and see what is going on. If they are
   curious and ask questions about what parts do what. The blu-ray was cut out
   but was included previously because there's a chance there are blu-rays
   people want to in the future but would otherwise not be able to use.
   blu-ray drives support CD,DVD, and blu-ray but only cost about $15 more
   than a DVD drive.

It wouldn't just benefit a few people for a short period, it would be open
and accessible to any member of the house for years to come.

This was brought up multiple times in council and I did research after
every time. Sadly, the time it was discussed the most I wasn't there.

I've discussed this with Aric separately, I discussed it with Derek before
Kelly got there on Wednesday, and have been trying to discuss with Hamid
but I never see him.

A $300 computer is probably to weak for some of the things people want to
do, I'm thinking 3D rendering or something like Solidworks, but we can try
it out and then in the future, if need be, upgrade with proof that we need
a stronger one.

Kelly, yeah I'm down to meet before council.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 9:10 AM, kelly archer [email protected]
wrote:

James- I recognize that council did discuss this briefly, but we were only
in agreeance on a budget cap (which we don't necessarily have to meet). I
understand where you're coming from, a lot of cool shit can be done on a
computer, but maybe we should focus on the realistic use of this computer.
I'm happy we got Alex's perspective on this because honestly there aren't
that many people involved in this conversation that know a lot about
hardware.

As a member of this makerspace computer committee (whatever the f that
means), i think we should take another look at our proposed bill of
materials. Alex, you are invited to come along if you have the time. James,
are you free today before council at all?

-kel

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Alexandre Chong [email protected]
wrote:

Your new link addresses none of my points, and it's honestly even more
comical than the first. This should cost a max of $300, and the old
kitchen
computer would be adequate.

Don't ask BSCIT to fund this. It's not fair to have the BSC support this.

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[sunnysideofthescreen]

thanks for the input james. are you free at ~3:00?

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:11 PM, jmrtns [email protected] wrote:

Alex, don't think your opinion isn't valued because you moved out. But how
you presented it was pretty rude. If this machine were for gaming I
wouldn't be fighting so heavily against windows on it. I don't really game
and I'm not going to try to make "excuses" or manipulate the house for my
own gain.

1. We would try our best to only use open source or at-least free of
   charge software, If we can't find an open alternative then we likely just
   do without that software than buy it.
2. Unlike campus resources which are not well known about or need key
   card access, this computer is open to everyone in the house. It gives
   people the ability to experiment with many different things.
3. Yeah, a cheaper computer would do the job but this one would do the
   job better and can handle more things. Cloyne is a house with many CS and
   MechE students, a computer that handle "
   dinky 3d prints" but can also do intense GPU processes like graphical
   models involving random particle collision within a gas, or handle large
   CPU intense processes like compiling , is much more convenient than having
   to go to campus for resources.
4. gpubenchmarks.com is a dead link but I didn't realize they sold
   Quadros for under $1000, I've updated the parts list.
   http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cYW2Jx
5. The case is huge and transparent, everything is very visible so
   people can look into the device and see what is going on. If they are
   curious and ask questions about what parts do what. The blu-ray was cut out
   but was included previously because there's a chance there are blu-rays
   people want to in the future but would otherwise not be able to use.
   blu-ray drives support CD,DVD, and blu-ray but only cost about $15 more
   than a DVD drive.

It wouldn't just benefit a few people for a short period, it would be open
and accessible to any member of the house for years to come.

This was brought up multiple times in council and I did research after
every time. Sadly, the time it was discussed the most I wasn't there.

I've discussed this with Aric separately, I discussed it with Derek before
Kelly got there on Wednesday, and have been trying to discuss with Hamid
but I never see him.

A $300 computer is probably to weak for some of the things people want to
do, I'm thinking 3D rendering or something like Solidworks, but we can try
it out and then in the future, if need be, upgrade with proof that we need
a stronger one.

Kelly, yeah I'm down to meet before council.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 9:10 AM, kelly archer [email protected]
wrote:

James- I recognize that council did discuss this briefly, but we were
only
in agreeance on a budget cap (which we don't necessarily have to meet). I
understand where you're coming from, a lot of cool shit can be done on a
computer, but maybe we should focus on the realistic use of this
computer.
I'm happy we got Alex's perspective on this because honestly there aren't
that many people involved in this conversation that know a lot about
hardware.

As a member of this makerspace computer committee (whatever the f that
means), i think we should take another look at our proposed bill of
materials. Alex, you are invited to come along if you have the time.
James,
are you free today before council at all?

-kel

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Alexandre Chong <
[email protected]>
wrote:

Your new link addresses none of my points, and it's honestly even more
comical than the first. This should cost a max of $300, and the old
kitchen
computer would be adequate.

Don't ask BSCIT to fund this. It's not fair to have the BSC support
this.

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[ck2qsuZT]

Yep

[sunnysideofthescreen]

BSCIT application sent: 12/6/15 (~$1500, parts list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sunnysideofthescreen/saved/HKBV3C)

Back up budget approved at council 12/6/15 ($499, parts list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sunnysideofthescreen/saved/fCbMnQ)

[ahdinosaur]

hehe jelly 🐱

[mitar]

What is the status of this?

[sunnysideofthescreen]

We're waiting to hear back from bscit. Could you poke them?

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What is the status of this?

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[mitar]

@CdavM: poking. ;-)

[sunnysideofthescreen]

Thanks :)

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@CdavM https://github.com/CdavM: poking. ;-)

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[CdavM]

Hi everyone!

I'm wondering why you decided to use ddr4 - I think this forced you to buy an extremely expensive motherboard.

BSCIT currently has a limit of ~400$ for a desktop. So the bscit request can be used to subsidize your supah computah by 400$, with the house covering the rest. The bscit fund is, however, meant for general purpose machines.

I will try to relax the bscit restrictions during the semester, but I suspect you will have to wait until the end of the semester for this machine (if funds are left by then).

However, I have a counter offer:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/bscit/saved/TcrKHx

This comes under the 400$ mark, you can build it yourself and if you'd like to do 3d modelling, throw in a discrete gpu.

[sunnysideofthescreen]

Hi there @CdavM !

This is somewhat offline in terms of BSCIT processes... But we have assembled a new computer with the hopes of funding it with $400 from BSCIT and the rest from our house account. Should we resubmit a BSCIT application?

here are the specs: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvY3hM

Thanks :D

[CdavM]

Heyhey @sunnysideofthescreen

No need to resubmit the application :). We have a BSCIT meeting on 2/8 so the request will be processed soon.

[ck2qsuZT]

Thanks, can we order the parts now then?

[sunnysideofthescreen]

Aww great to hear :) thanks so much!

On Feb 1, 2016, at 3:27 PM, CdavM [email protected] wrote:

Heyhey @sunnysideofthescreen https://github.com/sunnysideofthescreen

No need to resubmit the application :). We have a BSCIT meeting on 2/8 so
the request will be processed soon.

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[mitar]

No, I think we should wait for confirmation after 2/8.

[mitar]

How is this going? People, let's do that!

[sunnysideofthescreen]

Graham didn't really know what to buy.. I talked to him on Thursday and he
hadn't thought we told him what to get yet. We sent him the partpicker link
in Feb but nothings actually happened since then :/

I will help him / make sure he buys the parts asap. I'll busy by finals
time, but will have time during summer to build if all else fails. James
will you be around this summer?

-kel

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How is this going? People, let's do that!

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[mitar]

You should definitely buy equipment. You can also ask then others in the house to help you. HI and stuff.

[ck2qsuZT]

If the parts have been ordered then they should take about a week. Once the
parts get here it'll take a day at most to build with the workshop being
what makes it take that long. Have the parts been ordered? The budgets have
already been pretty much split into house and central with my purchases
already. Graham, if you can't, is it fine if I order the stuff tomorrow?

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You should definitely buy equipment. You can also ask then others in the
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[mitar]

Graham, if you can't, is it fine if I order the stuff tomorrow?

Not sure if he is watching this ticket.

[ck2qsuZT]

I ccd him in through email response, not sure how that works

[sunnysideofthescreen]

looks like we'll be getting all of the materials by 4/15/2016 (fingers-crossed!). Build party planned for 4/30/2016 from 12:30-6:00 ish. James will lead the build. Kelly will promote :D

[mitar]

Who will record video?

[sunnysideofthescreen]

of the build?

-kel

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[mitar]

Yea.

[sunnysideofthescreen]

that sounds dope! I think the house has a DSLR. it might have recording ability/memory space. i’ll inquire.

-kel

On Apr 11, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Mitar [email protected] wrote:

Yea.

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